I have read some post about cold fusion being a rather under
dog. I dont
care very much about this but I am very caring about how the
future will be
for me. I do not want to use php as I have tried and I dont
like it. dotnet
is very complicated for me as I need to learn c# or vb.net,
and thats before
I even look at using asp.net itself (if you see where I am
coming from)
coldfusion seems to be a good answer but i am worried as to
where the work
is or if many people still use it, but is this a risk with
any language to
choose to some degree or another?
thank u
To choose cold fusion
re: but is this a risk with any language to choose to some
degree or another?
There are no guarantees with any platform. You could spend 6
months studying up on j2ee only to find that .Net is currently more
in demand, or vica versa. Same with php, you could learn this and
then coldfusion jobs will suddenly start popping up all over the
place.
Coldfusion is a good choice, but shouldn't be your only one.
CF/PHP combo is pretty good I find. Though like you, i dislike php
and tend to avoid it wherever possible!! (truth is that there are
so many php sites out there and it is so prevalent, that you will
almost certainly run into it if you are a web developer)
Yes, with dot net there is a lot of up front learning before
you can get going. For some companies this is acceptable, even
advisable. But for pure web develpment, coldfusion is a great
language to get started with. If you ever do need to learn asp.net
you will find that the coldfusion skills will greatly aid your
ability to learn it.
Good luck.
To choose cold fusion
For me it turned out the CF was the only language I
could learn. PHP had too much extra stuff that didn't
make sense to me. Fortunately, I'm in business for
myself. If anyone contacts me that needs net or php,
I farm it out.
For new applications, my clients don't care about
language, they just want it done.
Can you please stop trolling these forums?
From this post using name jonner:
Path: forums.macromedia.com!not-for-mail
From: ''Jonner'' %26lt;john.delides@telstra.co.uk%26gt;
Newsgroups: macromedia.coldfusion.cfml_general_discussion
Subject: To choose cold fusion
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:34:27 +0800
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From another post using name SliceOfLife
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From: ''SliceOfLife'' %26lt;slolife@hotmail.com%26gt;
Newsgroups: macromedia.coldfusion.getting_started
Subject: Re: ColdFusion, an outdated language?
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:56:59 +0800
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Do you see that the NNTP-Posting-Host is the same in those?
Please stop the trolling. Go to the server-side scripting
forum of your liking and help there.
--
Ken Ford
Adobe Community Expert
Fordwebs, LLC
http://www.fordwebs.com
''Jonner'' %26lt;john.delides@telstra.co.uk%26gt; wrote in message
news:euqbme$9pe$1@forums.macromedia.com...
%26gt;I have read some post about cold fusion being a rather
under dog. I dont
%26gt; care very much about this but I am very caring about how
the future will be
%26gt; for me. I do not want to use php as I have tried and I
dont like it. dotnet
%26gt; is very complicated for me as I need to learn c# or
vb.net, and thats before
%26gt; I even look at using asp.net itself (if you see where I
am coming from)
%26gt;
%26gt; coldfusion seems to be a good answer but i am worried as
to where the work
%26gt; is or if many people still use it, but is this a risk
with any language to
%26gt; choose to some degree or another?
%26gt;
%26gt; thank u
%26gt;
%26gt;
Ken, it should now be apparent where I was heading with my
post entitled ''Questions for Andley Jandley'' a couple of weeks
ago... Check the hosts on the posts in that thread.
Guys, I am not sure you understand what an IP address is on
the internet.
The posting host 203.59.121.59 is not an IP address that maps
to a poster,
it maps to a posting host. Let me know if you need me to
explain this to you
further. The short version - you never ever know the ip
address of the
machine that made a post. And you certainly never ever know
which person, at
this public library for example, is at that machine making
said post.
I have decide to use coldfusion anyway and just hope your
posts and
attitudes are not typical of the rest of the community.
''Ken Ford - *ACE*'' %26lt;newsgroups@fordwebs.com%26gt; wrote in
message
news:eurclj$l97$1@forums.macromedia.com...
%26gt; Can you please stop trolling these forums?
%26gt;
%26gt; From this post using name jonner:
%26gt;
%26gt; Path: forums.macromedia.com!not-for-mail
%26gt; From: ''Jonner'' %26lt;john.delides@telstra.co.uk%26gt;
%26gt; Newsgroups:
macromedia.coldfusion.cfml_general_discussion
%26gt; Subject: To choose cold fusion
%26gt; Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:34:27 +0800
%26gt; Lines: 13
%26gt; Distribution: macromedia
%26gt; Message-ID: %26lt;euqbme$9pe$1@forums.macromedia.com%26gt;
%26gt; NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.59.121.59
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%26gt; 07:34:39 GMT)
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%26gt;
%26gt; From another post using name SliceOfLife
%26gt;
%26gt; Path: forums.macromedia.com!not-for-mail
%26gt; From: ''SliceOfLife'' %26lt;slolife@hotmail.com%26gt;
%26gt; Newsgroups: macromedia.coldfusion.getting_started
%26gt; Subject: Re: ColdFusion, an outdated language?
%26gt; Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:56:59 +0800
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%26gt; NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.59.121.59
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%26gt; 00:57:08 GMT)
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%26gt;
%26gt; Do you see that the NNTP-Posting-Host is the same in
those?
%26gt;
%26gt; Please stop the trolling. Go to the server-side
scripting forum of your
%26gt; liking and help there.
%26gt;
%26gt; --
%26gt; Ken Ford
%26gt; Adobe Community Expert
%26gt; Fordwebs, LLC
%26gt;
http://www.fordwebs.com
%26gt;
%26gt;
%26gt; ''Jonner'' %26lt;john.delides@telstra.co.uk%26gt; wrote in
message
%26gt; news:euqbme$9pe$1@forums.macromedia.com...
%26gt;%26gt;I have read some post about cold fusion being a
rather under dog. I dont
%26gt;%26gt;care very much about this but I am very caring about
how the future will
%26gt;%26gt;be for me. I do not want to use php as I have tried
and I dont like it.
%26gt;%26gt;dotnet is very complicated for me as I need to learn
c# or vb.net, and
%26gt;%26gt;thats before I even look at using asp.net itself (if
you see where I am
%26gt;%26gt;coming from)
%26gt;%26gt;
%26gt;%26gt; coldfusion seems to be a good answer but i am
worried as to where the
%26gt;%26gt; work is or if many people still use it, but is this
a risk with any
%26gt;%26gt; language to choose to some degree or another?
%26gt;%26gt;
%26gt;%26gt; thank u
Yes could you explain it to me?
My post has this header:
Path: forums.macromedia.com!not-for-mail
From: ''Ken Ford - *ACE*'' %26lt;newsgroups@fordwebs.com%26gt;
Newsgroups: macromedia.coldfusion.cfml_general_discussion
Subject: Re: To choose cold fusion
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:57:54 -0500
Organization: Fordwebs, LLC
Lines: 74
Distribution: macromedia
Message-ID: %26lt;eurclj$l97$1@forums.macromedia.com%26gt;
References: %26lt;euqbme$9pe$1@forums.macromedia.com%26gt;
Reply-To: ''Ken Ford - *ACE*'' %26lt;newsgroups@fordwebs.com%26gt;
NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.47.195.118
And my IP address is 216.47.195.118
So I must really be confused.
--
Ken Ford
Adobe Community Expert
Fordwebs, LLC
http://www.fordwebs.com
''Jonner'' %26lt;john.delides@telstra.co.uk%26gt; wrote in message
news:eusaq8$rk1$1@forums.macromedia.com...
%26gt; Guys, I am not sure you understand what an IP address is
on the internet.
%26gt;
%26gt; The posting host 203.59.121.59 is not an IP address that
maps to a poster,
%26gt; it maps to a posting host. Let me know if you need me to
explain this to you
%26gt; further. The short version - you never ever know the ip
address of the
%26gt; machine that made a post. And you certainly never ever
know which person, at
%26gt; this public library for example, is at that machine
making said post.
%26gt;
%26gt; I have decide to use coldfusion anyway and just hope
your posts and
%26gt; attitudes are not typical of the rest of the community.
%26gt;
re: So I must really be confused.
Thats okay , you are not expected to understand everything :)
Just
understand that a stated ip address is not always the same as
the
originating machines ip address. There are many many reasons
for this -
proxies, spoofing, dhcp leases, and many more.
''Ken Ford - *ACE*'' %26lt;newsgroups@fordwebs.com%26gt; wrote in
message
news:eusf1m$2ss$1@forums.macromedia.com...
%26gt; Yes could you explain it to me?
%26gt;
%26gt; My post has this header:
%26gt;
%26gt; Path: forums.macromedia.com!not-for-mail
%26gt; From: ''Ken Ford - *ACE*'' %26lt;newsgroups@fordwebs.com%26gt;
%26gt; Newsgroups:
macromedia.coldfusion.cfml_general_discussion
%26gt; Subject: Re: To choose cold fusion
%26gt; Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:57:54 -0500
%26gt; Organization: Fordwebs, LLC
%26gt; Lines: 74
%26gt; Distribution: macromedia
%26gt; Message-ID: %26lt;eurclj$l97$1@forums.macromedia.com%26gt;
%26gt; References: %26lt;euqbme$9pe$1@forums.macromedia.com%26gt;
%26gt; Reply-To: ''Ken Ford - *ACE*''
%26lt;newsgroups@fordwebs.com%26gt;
%26gt; NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.47.195.118
%26gt;
%26gt; And my IP address is 216.47.195.118
%26gt;
%26gt; So I must really be confused.
%26gt;
%26gt; --
%26gt; Ken Ford
%26gt; Adobe Community Expert
%26gt; Fordwebs, LLC
%26gt;
http://www.fordwebs.com
%26gt;
%26gt;
%26gt; ''Jonner'' %26lt;john.delides@telstra.co.uk%26gt; wrote in
message
%26gt; news:eusaq8$rk1$1@forums.macromedia.com...
%26gt;%26gt; Guys, I am not sure you understand what an IP
address is on the internet.
%26gt;%26gt;
%26gt;%26gt; The posting host 203.59.121.59 is not an IP address
that maps to a
%26gt;%26gt; poster, it maps to a posting host. Let me know if
you need me to explain
%26gt;%26gt; this to you further. The short version - you never
ever know the ip
%26gt;%26gt; address of the machine that made a post. And you
certainly never ever
%26gt;%26gt; know which person, at this public library for
example, is at that machine
%26gt;%26gt; making said post.
%26gt;%26gt;
%26gt;%26gt; I have decide to use coldfusion anyway and just hope
your posts and
%26gt;%26gt; attitudes are not typical of the rest of the
community.
%26gt;%26gt;
%26gt;
why you peple keeping thses kinda things like:
coldfusion gonna die
usage of coldfusion
etc, etc
why don't you this foolish conversation, all know that here
coldfusion is not gonna die..
So this person is confused too?
http://www.cynthiaarmistead.com/headers/usenetheaders.shtml
Nntp-Posting-Host: ip14.an4-atlanta2.ga.pub-ip.psi.net
This one's important. The nntp-posting-host: is supposed to
tell us with which machine, and sometimes from which user, a
message
originated. It might be a name address, like the example
above, or it might be the IP address of the machine in
question--like so:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.6.4.14
If there's a numeric address, use a tool like Sam Spade's
whois to figure out what it translates to and who owns that IP
address. In
this case, both the numeric and English addresses given refer
to the same machine. We can tell that it's a machine owned by
PSINet,
Inc. and that it's probably at their Atlanta
point-of-presence (POP). The NNTP posting host can be faked, but
not easily (by the
average user, anyway).
You really should stop the trolling.
Just find a newsgroup of your desired server-side scripting
and help there.
This is a user-to-user help forum and you are not helping
here by trolling.
--
Ken Ford
Adobe Community Expert
Fordwebs, LLC
http://www.fordwebs.com
''Jonner'' %26lt;john.delides@telstra.co.uk%26gt; wrote in message
news:eusre9$g6b$1@forums.macromedia.com...
%26gt; re: So I must really be confused.
%26gt;
%26gt; Thats okay , you are not expected to understand
everything :) Just understand that a stated ip address is not
always the same as
%26gt; the originating machines ip address. There are many many
reasons for this - proxies, spoofing, dhcp leases, and many more.
%26gt;
%26gt;
No, but you are. I could use this article to prove my case -
not sure why
you are referencing it though as it pretty much proves what
I'm telling you!
I'm telling you right now that are wrong and that you may
wish to refrain
from technical discussion of stuff you don't fully
understand. As the
article explains ''The NNTP posting host can be faked'' (by
anyone pretty much
beyond newbie). The ip address in question belongs to an ISP
with hundreds
of thousands of users - you are pissing in the wind here.
%26gt; Just find a newsgroup of your desired server-side
scripting and help
%26gt; there.
I am.
%26gt; You really should stop the trolling.
And you stop being rude and making silly accusations.
''Ken Ford - *ACE*'' %26lt;newsgroups@fordwebs.com%26gt; wrote in
message
news:eut2ue$psf$1@forums.macromedia.com...
%26gt; So this person is confused too?
%26gt;
%26gt;
http://www.cynthiaarmistead.com/headers/usenetheaders.shtml
%26gt;
%26gt; Nntp-Posting-Host: ip14.an4-atlanta2.ga.pub-ip.psi.net
%26gt; This one's important. The nntp-posting-host: is supposed
to tell us with
%26gt; which machine, and sometimes from which user, a message
originated. It
%26gt; might be a name address, like the example above, or it
might be the IP
%26gt; address of the machine in question--like so:
%26gt; NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.6.4.14
%26gt; If there's a numeric address, use a tool like Sam
Spade's whois to figure
%26gt; out what it translates to and who owns that IP address.
In this case, both
%26gt; the numeric and English addresses given refer to the
same machine. We can
%26gt; tell that it's a machine owned by PSINet, Inc. and that
it's probably at
%26gt; their Atlanta point-of-presence (POP). The NNTP posting
host can be faked,
%26gt; but not easily (by the average user, anyway).
%26gt;
%26gt; You really should stop the trolling.
%26gt;
%26gt; Just find a newsgroup of your desired server-side
scripting and help
%26gt; there.
%26gt;
%26gt; This is a user-to-user help forum and you are not
helping here by
%26gt; trolling.
%26gt;
%26gt; --
%26gt; Ken Ford
%26gt; Adobe Community Expert
%26gt; Fordwebs, LLC
%26gt;
http://www.fordwebs.com
%26gt;
%26gt;
%26gt; ''Jonner'' %26lt;john.delides@telstra.co.uk%26gt; wrote in
message
%26gt; news:eusre9$g6b$1@forums.macromedia.com...
%26gt;%26gt; re: So I must really be confused.
%26gt;%26gt;
%26gt;%26gt; Thats okay , you are not expected to understand
everything :) Just
%26gt;%26gt; understand that a stated ip address is not always
the same as the
%26gt;%26gt; originating machines ip address. There are many many
reasons for this -
%26gt;%26gt; proxies, spoofing, dhcp leases, and many more.
%26gt;%26gt;
%26gt;%26gt;
%26gt;
So you admit you're spoofing the IP address of a known
troller? C'mon, everyone here can tell by your writing style and
attitude who we're dealing with.
Get a life, or, in the words of the good folks at fark.com,
DIAF. These Forums exist for user-to-user technical assistance, not
the tripe you spout. When's the last time you posted a technical
solution to a user's problem? Cite, please.
re: So you admit you're spoofing the IP address of a known
troller?
Do I ? Where?
re: everyone here can tell by your writing style and attitude
who we're
dealing
%26gt; with.
Again, incorrect. Hardly anybody here knows or thinks any
such thing. I'd
say the overwhelming majority just don't give two hoots and
are more
concerned with getting answers to there cf questions - as was
I.
%26gt; When's the last time you posted a technical solution to
a user's problem?
%26gt; Cite, please.
Never claimed to have. Only just posted here and already
thinking of
ditching coldfusion based on the hostility in this forum.
(admittedly all
the doubts raised in here are helping too)
You guys really know how make a bad situation worse don't
you.
over and out.
''philh'' %26lt;webforumsuser@macromedia.com%26gt; wrote in message
news:eutf6g$anl$1@forums.macromedia.com...
%26gt; So you admit you're spoofing the IP address of a known
troller? C'mon,
%26gt; everyone here can tell by your writing style and
attitude who we're
%26gt; dealing
%26gt; with.
%26gt;
%26gt; Get a life, or, in the words of the good folks at
fark.com, DIAF. These
%26gt; Forums exist for user-to-user technical assistance, not
the tripe you
%26gt; spout.
%26gt; When's the last time you posted a technical solution to
a user's problem?
%26gt; Cite, please.
%26gt;
%26gt;
%26gt;
%26gt;
%26gt;
%26gt;
%26gt;
Let me get this straight.
You allege that the IP address belongs to a host with
''hundreds of thousands of users''.
At the same time, one of the two posters contend that the
CF-centric population in Australia is all but extinct. Thus the
odds of two Aussies posting the same tripe in the same time period,
citing the same statistics and overlapping opinion seem a bit
steep.
They are both using the exact same version of Outlook
Express. Not a ''game breaker'', but an observation. There are lots
of versions of Outlook Express out there. These two guys just
happen to be using the same one.
Neither poster (or any of the other suspected aliases) seemed
inclined to make use of a profile. The overwhelming majority of
posters on the board seem to prefer to make use of one.
Therefore, the odds that TWO people feigning interest in
ColdFusion, using the SAME provider, and the same version of OE,
miraculously obtaining the same NNTP Posting Host within hours of
each other seem mysteriously high.
Now, since the NNTP Posting Host can TECHNICALLY be spoofed
(albeit insanely unlikely with the perceived talent of the posters
in question) the odds get even more mind blowing when we stop to
think that BOTH 'people' chose the SAME IP address to fake us out
with! Or, using a more gracious slant, that one of the miniscule
number of CF enthusiasts in Australia just so happened to 'spoof'
using the IP address of another of the miniscule number of CF
enthusiasts in Australia.
Call me flummoxed.
re: Call me flummoxed.
Listen Flummoxed, I never claimed any spoofing was going on.
Thems the words
of the other poster. I merely used spoofing as an example of
one of many
reasons why an ip address does not map to a poster. Not
making accusations
here - but how easy would it be for you guys to be the ones
doing the
spoofing. Make make it nice and easy to point the finger,
right?
Anyway, far too busy for all this. You guys write soem very
length posts on
totally irellavant drivel. I admit it, I can't keep up
anymore.
''tclaremont'' %26lt;webforumsuser@macromedia.com%26gt; wrote in
message
news:eutn1e$kgq$1@forums.macromedia.com...
%26gt; Let me get this straight.
%26gt;
%26gt; You allege that the IP address belongs to a host with
''hundreds of
%26gt; thousands
%26gt; of users''.
%26gt;
%26gt; At the same time, one of the two posters contend that
the CF-centric
%26gt; population in Australia is all but extinct. Thus the
odds of two Aussies
%26gt; posting the same tripe in the same time period, citing
the same statistics
%26gt; and
%26gt; overlapping opinion seem a bit steep.
%26gt;
%26gt; They are both using the exact same version of Outlook
Express. Not a ''game
%26gt; breaker'', but an observation. There are lots of versions
of Outlook
%26gt; Express out
%26gt; there. These two guys just happen to be using the same
one.
%26gt;
%26gt; Neither poster (or any of the other suspected aliases)
seemed inclined to
%26gt; make
%26gt; use of a profile. The overwhelming majority of posters
on the board seem
%26gt; to
%26gt; prefer to make use of one.
%26gt;
%26gt; Therefore, the odds that TWO people feigning interest in
ColdFusion, using
%26gt; the
%26gt; SAME provider, and the same version of OE, miraculously
obtaining the same
%26gt; NNTP
%26gt; Posting Host within hours of each other seem
mysteriously high.
%26gt;
%26gt; Now, since the NNTP Posting Host can TECHNICALLY be
spoofed (albeit
%26gt; insanely
%26gt; unlikely with the perceived talent of the posters in
question) the odds
%26gt; get
%26gt; even more mind blowing when we stop to think that BOTH
'people' chose the
%26gt; SAME
%26gt; IP address to fake us out with! Or, using a more
gracious slant, that one
%26gt; of
%26gt; the miniscule number of CF enthusiasts in Australia just
so happened to
%26gt; 'spoof'
%26gt; using the IP address of another of the miniscule number
of CF enthusiasts
%26gt; in
%26gt; Australia.
%26gt;
%26gt; Call me flummoxed.
%26gt;
%26gt;
%26gt;
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